Point 8 "Moralist" MBTI -Persönlichkeitstyp
Persönlichkeit
"Welcher Persönlichkeitstyp ist {profilename}? {profilename} ist ein {MBTI} -Persönlichkeitstyp in MBTI, {enneagram} - {iv} - {tritype} in EnneArgram, {big5} in Big 5, {socionics} in Socionics."
After geeking divine forms and fixations by ichazo, i think people are missing the point with the type, i was also under impression that this was some E1 because of how people described it. People look at P8 from viewpoint of singular dichotomy while missing the big picture, the type is still driven by excess, there are two dichotomies that COEXIST within the type, people also see the words "critical, judgemental, imposing" and are quick to relate it to E1, it's not surprising at all but remember, if you see someone who to you seems like a moralistic perfectionistic person who is imposing, it doesn't suddenly make them Point 8 because this individual lacks the nuance and all the other characteristics of this point. First, we can draw some comparisons with Naranjo E8 and Point 8 because people are under the impression that they're very different. Naranjo 8 𝐓𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐨𝐩𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐬 𝐡𝐢𝐦 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐮𝐥𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐧 𝐚𝐧 𝐚𝐬𝐩𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐩𝐨𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐯𝐢𝐨𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐦𝐞 𝐯𝐞𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐜𝐞, 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐞 𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐝𝐚𝐲 𝐨𝐟 𝐟𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐠𝐞 𝐇𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐫𝐨𝐰 𝐮𝐩 𝐪𝐮𝐢𝐜𝐤𝐥𝐲, 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐠𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟 𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐨 𝐰𝐞𝐚𝐤𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬, 𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐟𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲. 𝐋𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐟𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐝 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐢𝐧𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐞. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐧𝐠𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐛𝐮𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐛𝐞𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚 𝐛𝐚𝐝 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐮𝐥𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞'𝐬 𝐩𝐨𝐰𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐭 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐜𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐥𝐲 𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐢𝐟𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬. 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐞𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐟 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐚𝐥𝐬𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐚𝐧 𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐚𝐥, 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐢𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐚 𝐰𝐚𝐲 𝐨𝐟 𝐬𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐨𝐮𝐭𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐬. 𝐅𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐩𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐯𝐢𝐞𝐰, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩 𝐢𝐬 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐰𝐡𝐢𝐜𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐄𝟖 𝐢𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐦𝐢𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐝𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐜𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐞 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐨𝐧 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐝𝐨 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐫𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐢𝐭𝐬 𝐩𝐨𝐰𝐞𝐫. 𝐏𝐨𝐰𝐞𝐫 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐦𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐚𝐢𝐧 𝐝𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐥 𝐨𝐟 𝐢𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐢𝐭. Naranjo 8 is still oriented towards justice, revenge and evening scores with others, as it has been said, this CAN be an ideal but doesn't have to be, E8 is not just a blind hedonist and that's all that he cares for, there is more to this type. 𝐖𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭 𝐬𝐮𝐜𝐡 𝐭𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐢𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐧𝐞𝐮𝐫𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐦𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐚𝐲." 𝐀𝐧𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬, 𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐇𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐲, 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 "𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐞𝐞𝐥𝐬 𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐭𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐛𝐨𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐨 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐞𝐮𝐫𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐜 𝐧𝐞𝐞𝐝𝐬 𝐢𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐭𝐥𝐲 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐢𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐮𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐫𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬' 𝐧𝐞𝐞𝐝𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐰𝐢𝐬𝐡𝐞𝐬. 𝐇𝐞 𝐟𝐞𝐞𝐥𝐬 𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐭𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐮𝐧𝐚𝐛𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐠𝐞𝐝 𝐞𝐱𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐮𝐧𝐟𝐚𝐯𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞 𝐨𝐛𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐦𝐬 𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐟𝐞𝐞𝐥𝐬 𝐞𝐪𝐮𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐭𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐧𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐞 𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐳𝐞𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟. This aligns with Point 8 very well and even the issue with hypocrisy and the way they deal with criticism, Naranjo E8 still can make harsh observations and criticisms of others, this is no issue for this type. 𝐄𝐠𝐨-𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧: 𝐕𝐢𝐨𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐮𝐝𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐠𝐨 𝐭𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐜𝐭 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐮𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞 𝐨𝐫 𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐦 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐯𝐢𝐨𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐫 𝐯𝐞𝐡𝐞𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐨𝐧𝐞'𝐬 𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐫 𝐰𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐬. We can take a look at how the Naranjo 8 views itself 𝐒𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐥𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐡𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐲, 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧. "𝐍𝐞𝐞𝐝𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐚𝐲, 𝐡𝐞 𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐞𝐢𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐭, 𝐟𝐚𝐢𝐫 𝐧𝐨𝐫 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐛𝐥𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐬𝐨. 𝐎𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐫𝐲, 𝐢𝐟 𝐚𝐧𝐲𝐛𝐨𝐝𝐲 𝐢𝐬 𝐝𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐝-𝐮𝐧𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐜𝐢𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐥𝐲-𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐥𝐮𝐟𝐟 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐚𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐠𝐡 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐚 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐫𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐭𝐡, 𝐢𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐡𝐞 ... 𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐰𝐞 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐡𝐞 𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐬𝐞 𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐛𝐮𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐚 𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐡 𝐝𝐞𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐞 𝐢𝐟 𝐰𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐞𝐦𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐬. Part 2 below
Biografie
THE MORALIST When the Domain of Laws and Morals becomes fixated, it produces the ego-personality of the Moralist, point 8, which appears as a moral stance because we project this aspect of being onto social reality. Our sense of being appears in the social environment as the justice that develops into laws and, even more, into rules of morality and decency in every type of relationship. This sense of being is the action of the Conservation Instinct since preservation in a social environment depends on pre-established justice and the moral relationships provided by customs and laws. Because the Moralist Fixation manifests in the Domain of Laws and Morals and has a lack in this Domain, it also has a yearning for the Eternal and Perfect State of the Divine found in the corresponding Divine Principle of No Time, which gives us the insight of Eternity, but which has now become obscured by the perceived trauma at the root of this Fixation.
